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Dhanesh S

April 27, 2020

14:30 Any one how to get modern cinnamon taskbar in debian ???

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Mano b

April 27, 2020

thanks for sharing , very useful for my server subscribed from www.datasoft.ws

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Eduardo Medina

April 27, 2020

Well, I know that I'm commenting almost one year latter than the video was published, but today we have Flatpak to have modern applications on a "old" system, so that front isn't a problem today. If you use an AMD GPU, you can use the Flatpak version of Steam from Flathub and get automatically through Flatpak packages a parallel and newer version of Mesa with the old Mesa version provided by Debian, so you can have a good system for gaming without breaking anything.

IMHO, the problem with Debian Stable is in the support of drivers. I think that the Debian Community needs to update the support of drivers to make Debian Stable friendlier with newer hardware, but today the apps aren't a problem with Flatpak because the most of people doesn't care about the version of the kernel or the desktop environment, the only thing that worries user is to get the latest versions of its common applications.

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Rubis Drake

April 27, 2020

I just want to say that Flatpaks, Snaps and other container technologies (like Docker) can change your life if you know how to use them. Basically, just use Debian Stable+Backports with the latest kernel and whatever, and use Flatpak/snapd to install the latest extra software that you need. It's nearly a perfect setup. You can set up a stable system, while the user-base software can be as up to date as you like. I also think keeping Btrfs snapshots and backups is important when using newer software with bugs. That can save hours of hassle, or avoid precious data getting removed!

Also, I am glad the person in the video mentioned the non-free ISO. I use that all the time. It really helps with installing on all sorts of computers.

Link here: https://cdimage.debian.org/images/

Anyway, Debian Stable can be great. Users just need to know how to make it great. Also, containers. :3

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Rick Contreras

April 27, 2020

Can you print in Debian

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gimalaji blake

April 27, 2020

I have like 12+ years IT experience in corporate,overall general IT experience more than 22 years since I got my first PC, so I have no problem running Debian Stable/Testing-it's actually also stable compared to Arch or even Ubuntu, but yeah in our day and age only AMD open-sourced their drivers and since I have NVIDIA on both rigs and I play games as well as use production tools, I use non-free ISO images or add the non-free repos,ArchLinux is a good alternative,but sometimes you just don't need the bleeding edge the updates are just too frequent,stuf does not break,but ArchLinux is a great distribution if you want that bleeding edge,also ArchWiki is great.
Now I just need something that works when you need and since Debian-based distros are the majority out there,a lot of packages like DXVK/Wine, even Steam Proton games run better on Debian based than lets say Arch-based(since you need AUR for Arch for DXVK) and on Debian it comes pretty much out of the box and there is more compatibility on Debian,although I love both of these distros ArchLinux for bleeding edge and high customizability,Debian for its stability.
As for beginer friendly distros I can recommend Linux Mint or Xubuntu,Kubuntu or Manjaro with any DE they are pretty much point and click installs and have great communities that help out with noob questions.
What I want to add,even after running Arch/Manjaro/Mint/Solus and others I always return to Debian Testing/Stable because its the best out there-highly maintained,stable and compatible with all the software and games that I need,simply put-it just works and no need for too much troubleshooting.
As for Linux Mint,Ubuntu/Manjaro-they are doing a great job of popularising Linux in general and making people use Linux systems, in terms of gaming Linux came a long way because of these distros as well,and lets be honest Windows is getting worse and worse by each feature update, so the community will eventually grow especially with tech savvy gamers once more and more games become available out of the box on Linux distributions.Linux is the future with Debian-based distros leading the charge and thats actually a great thing.

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H B

April 27, 2020

Stable in Debian means *not changing*, not free from errors. Get a clue.

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Raja Bebek

April 27, 2020

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Raja Bebek

April 27, 2020

Hi guys😅

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aidanjt

April 27, 2020

The point of older software isn't just stability, it's also maturity. All those feature and security bugs that come with every shiny new software version are usually fairly well ironed out by the time a new Debian stable lands. The same follows with RHEL (which is actually a version behind Buster on both the kernel & GNOME).

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A Nocco

April 27, 2020

I love Debian and mate DE

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Raja Bebek

April 27, 2020

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April 27, 2020

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Artcore

April 27, 2020

It’s not Debian stable, it’s Debian old!

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abaneyone

April 27, 2020

Well worth the tinkering! Best distro I've used. Cured me of distro-hopping!

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Riot4Peace

April 27, 2020

Its not a "desktop" environment if you can't put anything on the desktop. I can't understand the "developers" rationale. Its really a drop down menu / windowing environment. And, the windowing SUCKS, in that window identification and switching is fairly cumbersome. Who am I to complain but, I've been so disappointed with every successive release, I'm about to start documenting my experiences. Just seems like they're competing with the engineered obsolescence schema that the proprietary market uses. With all the tweaking, nothing gets better, nothing gets fixed. Or, they'll fix this and break that but, the overall product is the same junk you'd get from a company that needs to leave you wanting so they can sell the next release.
My favorite OS of all time was Windows 3.1.. And I hate the hell out of Microsoft. I'd just like simple and user friendly.. But mostly, I'd like something I could replace Microsoft/ windows with entirely.

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Tuishimi

April 27, 2020

I noticed the same thing when I was playing with Debian… sudo pre-set up vs not set up in the different installers. I ended up using calamares with boot screen and sudo set up.

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Irony Handelf

April 27, 2020

lol you unlocked me the rememeber of lacuna coil

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James Gundlach

April 27, 2020

I'm running Debian 10 Buster through Andronix/Termux on my Galaxy Note 9 with the DeX Pad connected to a monitor, keyboard and mouse. Loving the setup so far! I've been using the Note 9 as my main PC for nearly a year now with Linux on DeX, but since they've killed it I've had to move on to Andronix as an alternative.

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Mano b

April 27, 2020

Thanks for sharing , very useful information for my server subscribed from www.datasoft.ws

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Ivan Stanton

April 27, 2020

I disagree with Debian Live as an ideal laptop/desktop experience. When I installed Debian from the Live CD, there was a lot of unnecessary localization software installed, and at the same time no print server by default. When I installed it using the net installer, it was a bit more tedious, but only the needed software was installed and the print server task was checked by default.

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doom

April 27, 2020

I've tried Ubuntu 18.04 and Fedora 30. Fedora is not as zippy as the Ubuntu or Debian 10. Debian is even zippier than Ubuntu 18.04.

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Arthur Coleman

April 27, 2020

Why does libspellchecker.so not load,in debian 10, when using codeblocks?

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Chris Kennedy

April 27, 2020

I've put Deb 10 onto a few computers recently, using the net install. The not graphical installer hasn't changed in very very long time which I find amusing its like installing Ubuntu gutsy in 2007 hehe. Few things I usually do with Debian is add user to sudo group, usually setup autologin, fix synaptic quick filter, setup repos etc nothing too difficult but I been using it for a long time it helps. I'm in two minds ATM wether to roll with xfce or gnome3 either is pretty good and familiar. Then I configure for audio. Def helps to know your way around file system but the support is good. Seems better than it's ever been for music production. I dunno if its the RT, low latency bits coming into main kernel, or the development of alsa, ardour etc or the team packaging the multimedia for Debian but gotten past the glitches of previous years.

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hale xp

April 27, 2020

i wouldnt say debian is not for new users, in fact, it was the only out of like 5 distros i tested that survived my doings when i began using linux ^^

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ss kk

April 27, 2020

Hope my wifi card work on Debian. I purchased TP Link because tgere were multiple reports that TP Link products work on Debian but mine doesn't…

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Ivan Guerra

April 27, 2020

So, Is Linux Mint Debian Edition better option for modern hardware ?

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Jairo Morales

April 27, 2020

I'm just getting into Linux and I'm glad I found you, you saved me a boatload of headaches. Thanks for the info

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Loren Sims

April 27, 2020

I would like to hear your take on the one distribution that is older than Debian (by six months), Slackware. After starting with Red Hat 6 I switched to Debian and tried Mandrake and Suse, I even had an old Compaq set up to multi-boot between Windows2000, Windows98, RedHat 6, Debian, Suse and a partition where I was building Linux From Scratch.
I eventually settled on Debian (Woody, in those days), but didn't care for the way, I felt, that it tried to look like Windows and insisted on reminding me to update my installation.

I looked at other distros but settled on the name I remembered from the old days when I was tinkering around with the 0.97 kernel, Slackware. Version 10, I think it was.
I'm basically a Mac guy who has had very little day-to-day experience with DOS or Windows. Linux has always been mostly a hobby for me until five years ago when my primary machine was an Asus EeePC 2G Surf that I installed Slackware 12 on just to see if I could. The system became my favorite pocket 'busy box'. After upgrading to Slackware 13.37 I upgraded further to the 'current' track, (comparable to Debian's 'testing' track, I think) and have been running that ever since.
I am now all-in for Slackware. I'll be loading it on my new Raspberry Pi zero W when it arrives.

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Raúl Nanclares

April 27, 2020

I have Debian 10 (gnome non-free) installed in my Carbon X1 (6th Gen), i didn't have any issue installing it, you may have to update the firmware, because before Buster i had Ubuntu 18.04 installed for several months and i was receiving all the firmware updates. I've been using debian 10 for like 3 months and i've had somewhat less stability compared to Ubuntu 18.04. I think the main reason behind that is wayland, i've had less issues using xorg. Still, not very happy with the current state of debian, i've had some critical issues with the software that i use (like crashing the user session).

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Ferry Kurnia

April 27, 2020

Great video. I'm having trouble with wifi and you've confirmed it. Mx linux is the way to go. Thanks.

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Pierre Delecto

April 27, 2020

Couldn't update Debian. Kept getting an error message. Total piece of shit operating system. If those fucking retards want people to use their product, they need to make it work properly. Fucking useless pieces of shit.

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Alex Martinez

April 27, 2020

The Lacuna Coil t-shirt just gained you a new subscriber.

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WR3ND

April 27, 2020

I more or less started seriously using Linux using Debian maybe six years ago or so, and am glad I did. I still use it where stability is more of a priority, like on home servers, but now also use other distros like Manjaro. I'm likely more tech savvy than the average PC user, but I'm glad I started with Debian to sort out some of these complications when using it in a more typical desktop/laptop environment. It was great learning how much of it you could "mod" to your own needs, really making it your OS.

The only hardware functionality I seem to be missing from Linux now is Miracast support, though I haven't looked into it much for a while.

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HeiderTV

April 27, 2020

Debian is stable ugly

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dave giroux

April 27, 2020

i like the fact that Debian loads to ram with no cach

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Balsey Dean De Witt, Jr.

April 27, 2020

It's actually better to just install from Raspbian. I guess for new comers, they will figure that out in time, but for NOOBS, I think I'll just stick with installing just Raspbian and install anything else from within that! Visit bluepitt.com

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Odious

April 27, 2020

Nice shirt m8

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George

April 27, 2020

Buster! Straight buster!

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Penguin Revolution

April 27, 2020

I think you need to do a little more study on Debian, because you create some misconceptions that some issues cannot be fixed which is untrue. As far as the hardware stack is concerned this is maintained by the kernel, 4.19 is the LTS kernel and there is a reason why Debian goes this route. However the hardware stack can be update by a kernel update. This is why the "Liquorix" kernel exists (Liquorix is on kernel 5.2 currently) and it's really easy to update your kernel this way and get the latest drivers. Although I agree they need to make a 5.x LTS kernel and Debian always rolls forward when a new LTS kernel is released. Also software can be easy to update and the easiest solution I've found is to use Flatpak, they are usually on the cutting edge (not bleeding) and they update with a command in the terminal. However some people don't want to update, they learn a specific workflow and new versions can change that so they don't want to update as well, and that's a valid method. Red Hat Enterprise Linux (REL) often is older then Debian for this very reason for stability and productivity. Literally there are easy solutions to the problems you mentioned.

P.S. there is a solution to the splash screen on the non-free ISOs and it can be found here: https://wiki.debian.org/plymouth follow those exact instructions and it will work fine (the Debian team is working to fix this as we speak).

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Krassi Em

April 27, 2020

One can run Debian 10 on a decade old laptop and it is reasonably fast. At least it is valid for command line mode, runlevel 3 🙂 It's great to see that one can install it even starting with a stretch version CD, no need to burn another disk to boot from.

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Luca

April 27, 2020

Plasma looks nice 🙂

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April 27, 2020

Stability is what I love about Debian. I use Debian Testing but I know that nothing can be "bad" about a Debian update or release. They don't do changes that completely overhaul the user experience or install spyware without people wanting it. If you don't like your stuff to be frozen you can always try Debian Testing and Unstable. Debian gives you choice.

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Georgy Todorov

April 27, 2020

DO NOT quit your day job. Unless it has to do with computers in general and linux in particular.
Where is the distro review?! 20+ minutes of desktop environment small talk. Anyone can install ANY DE they want on ANY distro nowadays you know…
And then there's the bullshit about old software being bad… Sooooo… Debian 10's a few versions behind Ubintu you say? Have you EVER TRIED UPDATING Ubuntu? "Cause I have! Not a pretty picture lemme tell ya. Have you ever heard of RHEL? No? Only the most used enterprise distro in the world. You know what kernel version the latest RHEL is on? Check it!

As a sidenote: adding a bunch of stickers to the lid of your laptop, like the real 1337 guys do doesn't make you anyhing more than a pathetic wannabe. FUCKING S.U.S.E.? ARE YOU SERIOUS?!?!?! Get a fucking clue dude!

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AndyPandy33

April 27, 2020

ok so what's the point of Debian than if even up-to-date is outdated and not really more stable than latest software? Can you do Debian testing next?

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Ezequiel Ortiz

April 27, 2020

Newbies Beware: Debian is NOT for begginers, debian is for intermediate to experienced Linux users!

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Ezequiel Ortiz

April 27, 2020

I had never used Graphic or "GUI" installer for installing Debian, I always use the Text (Non-GUI) installer, I like "GUI" better than the Terminal, but for some reason I find the Text installer easier to use than the Graphic one.

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Ricky & Barabba

April 27, 2020

Personally I have had BAD EXPERIENCES with UBUNTU. I have been using Debian since version 8 and now I have been using debian 9 for two years. No single CRASH. Never had a single problem. My machine is an OLD DELL Alienware Alpha ASM100. I use computer for web development (FULL STACK).

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Bill Chatfield

April 27, 2020

The lack of hardware support and old software are the reasons I don't use Debian. I guess having the latest software is not the point of Debian but I still don't want old software, sooo…..that is why I don't use it. It's apparently built for people who prefer software that is old. That's not me. I guess that is the disconnect. It's designed to solve a problem that I don't have, or for a use case that I don't have a use for. But I'd really say the problem is that Debian is designed to solve a problem that most people don't have. It's just solid base to build other distributions on.

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